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Title: Commercial Tools
Post by: Terrence Meiczinger on April 28, 2010, 09:24:51 AM
The easiest, but more costly way of creating DCP is using commercial tools. These tools are generally in the $2500-5000 price range, but that could be very well worth it, depending on your needs, time, and desire to avoid possible frustration with an open source solution. This thread lists some commercial software based solutions.



Title: Re: Commercial Tools
Post by: jusiponen on July 22, 2010, 03:42:39 AM

...[EasyDCP] will only create a DCP from JPEG2000 or DPX files. You'll need to export a project into JPEG2000 frames and the audio tracks in seperate wav files. It will convert your project into the XYZ colorspace, which is one of the tricky parts of the DCP process.

The part about audio tracks is correct, but EasyDCP will also read uncompressed 12bit TIFFs and compress them in JPEG2000 format. For best performance you'll want a fast multicore CPU and *very* fast disks to keep the CPU busy (I use a 4 core / 8 thread system and a RAID0 array of 6 x 1 TB).
Title: Re: Commercial Tools
Post by: StephenCin on April 13, 2011, 11:27:05 AM
I had good results creating DCP packages in a bind with open source tools recommended in other threads, now I have some documentaries to encode - due to their length I would rather use a commercial tool. I really like EasyDCP  - the other day I found Prism DCP, does not have some bells and whistles like encryption or subtitles (bummer) ... however the price is within my budget and the support emails seemed responsive, anyone used it for something longer???
Title: Re: Commercial Tools
Post by: Terrence Meiczinger on April 13, 2011, 06:50:00 PM
I had good results creating DCP packages in a bind with open source tools recommended in other threads, now I have some documentaries to encode - due to their length I would rather use a commercial tool. I really like EasyDCP  - the other day I found Prism DCP, does not have some bells and whistles like encryption or subtitles (bummer) ... however the price is within my budget and the support emails seemed responsive, anyone used it for something longer???

If you are going to invest in a software based tool, EasyDCP is probably one the fastest and more stable packages out there. It doesn't have the feature set of CineAsset, but in my experience CineAsset has been quite buggy. Is it worth the $3000-$5000? In my opinion, no. I'd rather put the money toward a real-time hardware solution.

Now, nearly every DCP package software uses the same underlying open source packages. The biggest difference you'll find is what JPEG2000 encoder is used. EasyDCP uses the very fast and expensive commercial Kakadu encoder, which explains some of its costs. Most others use the open source library, OpenJPEG.

The other open source tools used include:

ASDCPLIB (MXF wrapping)
ImageMagick (Source image conversion and in some cases an incorrect XYZ color conversion)
OpenJPEG (JPEG2000 encoding)
Open Cinema Tools (DCP XML Creation)
XMLSec (Digital signatures)
OpenSSL (encryption)
Expat/LibXML2/Xerces (XML reading/writing)

and so on.

A lot of the DCP packages are going to have the same flaws and limitations. Most of these tools, like Prism DCP, don't even use the library APIs, they just call command line tools. They basically put a GUI around a bunch of free and readily available shell programs. Prism DCP has to be one of the worst examples I've seen so far and the fact they are trying to charge $2000 is unbelievable. It seriously makes me think I should abandon OpenDCP and turn it into ExpensiveDCP for $1999. If only one person bought it, I'd be able to go buy me a new MacPro.

Haha, ugh, sorry for the rant. Seriously, save your money.... or if you want donate some money to the OpenDCP project so I can get a 12 core MacPro. :-) It would actually help OpenDCP development.
Title: Re: Commercial Tools
Post by: jonathanj on April 14, 2011, 10:46:33 AM
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Haha, ugh, sorry for the rant. Seriously, save your money.... or if you want donate some money to the OpenDCP project so I can get a 12 core MacPro. :-) It would actually help OpenDCP development.

hah, I was actually looking for the Donate button last night, but couldn't find it. Is there one?  :)
Title: Re: Commercial Tools
Post by: Terrence Meiczinger on April 14, 2011, 11:27:27 AM
hah, I was actually looking for the Donate button last night, but couldn't find it. Is there one?

Haha, no there isn't a donation button. I actually have thought about setting one up and using the money to try and purchase a Kakadu software license. The encoding speeds are many time faster than openjpeg.
Title: Re: Commercial Tools
Post by: deppen_s on April 14, 2011, 12:42:44 PM
you doing grate job, if you give me working mpeg dcp maker and i'll donate some money to you.
Title: Re: Commercial Tools
Post by: Da_Cat on September 11, 2011, 03:16:45 PM
I'll donate some money to this also :-) 

You might think about putting something up on kickstarter also...   
Title: Re: Commercial Tools
Post by: Axel Mertes on May 12, 2012, 08:31:07 PM
Hi Terrence,

I may chime in and tell you and all others that we released our FinalDCP and FinalDCP FREE Edition DCP encoding software. Its available as a commercial product (currently starting at Euro 350,00 + VAT) and a FREE Edition (with transparent logo superimposed). We think that sets a new price level.

We also concentrated on making this the fastest and easiest to use DCP encoding tool ever, see a short demo here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fcu8sR3kBKo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fcu8sR3kBKo)

We support some user friendly common compressed formats such as ProRes, DNxHD, CineForm, DPC, Quicktime, AVI, JPEG2000, MXF JPEG2000 streams, which save you some extra conversion steps in most cases, a lot of disk space and make far better use of your network bandwidth.

While some may miss a few features as of now (we are implementing features at a high rate now, and belive me - we miss them too), we have something that distincts our solution from about everything else out there:

Network rendering

You can actually run our transcoding engine easily on your network and thereby scale to nearly any speed, just depending on your setup. If configured right, you can even mix Windows and MAC OSX machines (we need to make a tutorial for that).

You can download the Final FREE Edition directly from our website: www.magnamana.com and follow the links to Products and FinalDCP.

We will have a new build coming up early next week, bringing much desired TIFF support, RED R3D support, automatic audio padding on reels with no audio etc., automatic cropping and padding to selected container format etc. Builds for MAC OSX and Windows are available.

The FinalDCP FREE Edition has unlimited RenderNodes, so scales to the utmost speed you can ever get from your infrastructure. I can easily convert faster than realtime to JPEG2000.

Cheers,
Axel
Title: Re: Commercial Tools
Post by: bigkumadog on August 05, 2012, 12:54:56 AM
I have been using QubeMaster Xport a Compressor 4 plug-in http://www.qubecinema.com/products/Xport (http://www.qubecinema.com/products/Xport) and QC preview, package, and KDM with QubeMaster Pro Packager http://www.qubecinema.com/products/QubeMaster_Packager (http://www.qubecinema.com/products/QubeMaster_Packager) and have made over 25 encrypted DCP's for our small post production studio and the workflow is pretty straight forward.  Qube Cinema has good customer service which helped explain the process of encrypting and KDM generation.   
Title: Re: Commercial Tools
Post by: hdvprojection on October 04, 2013, 12:21:38 PM
I have a question that relates to the commercial tools, kinda sorta. I use Doremi's Cineasset mostly for playback, occasionally for creation. It's buggy for the latter, pretty reliable for the former.

However, it does not recognize DCPs in folders when I create them, only the ones we get from the labs, Fotokem et al. In other words, I should be able to simply point DCPlayer to the correct folder and hit play. Instead, I have to select the option "Separated audio/video files", even though they're not separated... they're one DCP generated with OpenDCP and located in the same folder. DCPlayer will sync the two MXF files I select this way and play them back, but it doesn't seem to recognize the information in ASSETMAP or any of the files.

Why?
Title: Re: Commercial Tools
Post by: hdvprojection on October 13, 2013, 02:36:02 AM
Bump
Title: Re: Commercial Tools
Post by: Terrence Meiczinger on October 13, 2013, 11:29:29 AM
I just tried content created with OpenDCP and it worked fine with a SMPTE package opening as a DCP using the latest demo version.
Title: Re: Commercial Tools
Post by: Wolfgang Woehl on October 13, 2013, 11:56:10 AM
Hard to say what we're looking at. Post the output of dcp_inspect (https://github.com/wolfgangw/backports#readme).

Also, what's Doremi saying?
Title: Re: Commercial Tools
Post by: hdvprojection on October 14, 2013, 03:30:56 PM
Can I install dcp_inspect on a Windows box? This is my work computer... Windows, sadly.

DCPlayer says: "Error: Failed to find any picture file"
Title: Re: Commercial Tools
Post by: Wolfgang Woehl on October 14, 2013, 06:09:21 PM
See digital cinema tools setup (https://github.com/wolfgangw/digital_cinema_tools_distribution/wiki/Setup) and a note on installing a linux system (https://github.com/wolfgangw/digital_cinema_tools_distribution/wiki/Setup#wiki-install-a-linux-system). No Windows.
Title: Re: Commercial Tools
Post by: hdvprojection on October 20, 2013, 05:55:40 AM
Understood. I've already fought the good fight at work regarding Windows, and I lost. C'est la vie, c'est la guerre..
Title: Re: Commercial Tools
Post by: hdvprojection on January 28, 2014, 06:46:50 PM
Just to follow up, the latest version of DCPlayer (6.2.10) runs OpenDCP packages perfectly.    :)
Title: Re: Commercial Tools
Post by: Shrek2 on February 18, 2014, 04:08:59 PM
Is anyone using the latest version of EasyDCP Player? 2.0.4 or 2.0.6 ? It seems the demo version of the 2.0.6 removes the error detailed info, very useful to fix errors on DCPs. Is anyone using the full 2.0.6 ? Which is the improvement over 2.0.4?
Title: EasyDCP Transcoder plus OpenDCP
Post by: schmiddl on November 10, 2014, 05:37:02 AM
I have been using the easyDCP Transcoder to create JPEG2000 sequences and OpenDCP to do the rest.
easyDCP Transcoder costs only 800 Euros, maybe thats why they don't advertise it on they website ;).
Essentially it is only the JPEG2000 encoder of easyDCP Creator. And you can input TIFFs, Quicktimes, MP4, etc..

This way I have the best of both worlds. The JPEG2000 conversion is so fast and has such a great quality at very low bitrates.
And no stair stepping in dark gradients (an issue I have had with OpenDCP).
Title: Re: Commercial Tools
Post by: jamiegau on January 07, 2015, 09:02:36 PM
Just a few notes on what I have seen in this thread.

EasyDCP uses fraunhofer technology.  They have their own J2K encoder, and one would expect with a reputation like theirs, thats what they would use. (Tho its not as good as Kakadu in my opinion)
Nearly every other commercial software now used Kakadu.  As its the best.   Best bit per quality etc.  I would not touch OpenJPEG if I could help it (For any feature film content).  Its simple not as good an encoder as kakadu.

CineAsset recent upgrade to 7, I would recommend.  And as its from Doremi (Dolby now), who are the largest SMS vendor in the market, you would expect reliability..  the biggest issue with making DCPs.
Title: Re: Commercial Tools
Post by: Terrence Meiczinger on January 07, 2015, 11:48:38 PM
EasyDCP uses Kakadu 6.4.1. This can be verified by doing strings on the EasyDCP executable, in this case 2.2.7.

Code: [Select]
$ strings easyDCP\ Creator+\ Demo | grep -i Kakadu-
Kakadu-v6.4.1

Quality-wise OpenJPEG is as good as Kakadu. Here is a good article that does a statistical analysis comparing encoders.

http://www.scape-project.eu/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/iPres2013_Palmer_JPEG2000Codecs.pdf

In the Conclusions, section 5.1 they state:

"For our test images and codec settings, the best quality encoder-decoder pair was OpenJPEG-OpenJPEG."
Title: Re: Commercial Tools
Post by: sergkos on January 08, 2016, 05:16:08 AM
Hi!

I know about DCP Maker - online converter to DCP
Price: 3-15$ per 1 min

https://dcpmaker.com (https://dcpmaker.com)
Title: Re: Commercial Tools
Post by: Julius on February 13, 2017, 06:37:59 AM
We use EasyDCP Creator and Player and are very content with the workflow. EasyDCP offers additional support for IMF Packages, which we think will be of importance in the near future. Also it is the most independent company in the market, which might give some motivation for good support and future development...
Also new formats like IMF or HFR are implemented quite fast.

See: https://digital-cinema-mastering.com/en/news_en/new-formats-and-higher-bitrates-for-digital-cinema-packages/ (https://digital-cinema-mastering.com/en/news_en/new-formats-and-higher-bitrates-for-digital-cinema-packages/)